I'm sure most of you are no strangers to musicians taking up causes that affect them directly. Pink supports PETA, Pearl Jam spoke out against the Bush administration, Radiohead supports the environment, and the list goes on.
For your consideration:
1. What makes this source credible? (Think about the information in the video and the speakers)
2. In this video, what do you agree or disagree with? Give explicit information about either or both.
3. Who is this band's audience?
4. What is this band's purpose in creating this video, and how do they achieve it? (Logos, Pathos, Ethos, and/or a combination; which do they use primarily? Why do you think that?)
5. Does his video, ultimately, persuade you of the band's intentions? Why or why not?
Please answer all the questions in paragraph form. This week, points will be deducted if all the questions are not answered.
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ReplyDeleteThe source that makes Massive attacks argument credible is our basic knowledge growing up, that if we listen to anything to loudly it can have so some sort of impact or damage to our ear drums.Massive attack uses the appeal argument Pathos by, having a young man tell his story of how he was torted for a interrogation by using high decibels\music.Those kinds of interrogations can have lasting effects on their victims.I truly believe Massive attack did a sucessful job of being able to get there point across.The video it self was informative and caught my attention and anyone who is against
DeleteI really enjoyed this video and felt the main speaker was very credible with his testimony. It seemed as though that he was really in Guantanamo Bay and went through the things he said he went through. There didn't seem to be a lot to agree or disagree with in this video, with the main point being that loud sounds can cause pain and that's pretty much a given in my eyes. I think the band's audience is everybody, not just their fans. If a UK citizen can be taken, jailed for 2 years with no trial, and then just released back with no explanation, that could happen to any one of us. The video plays on the emotions of the watcher, so Ethos is definitely used in this video. I really don't feel they are necessarily trying to persuade you of anything in this video. I feel the band and the video are more just trying to put the information out there as kind of a warning to people about what's going on.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you I think that most people pretty much know the affects of loud music and or noises. I also believe the band is not focused on just one central audience but the population as a whole. I think it was just an informative video.
DeleteI wish I had gotten what you did. I do agree that it just seams like an informational video. You did a great job explaining the video.
DeleteI agree that the band did not do a good job at getting there point across. I also agree that this video attempted to play off your emotional and logical side.
DeleteI think you are right regarding the meaning of the video, likely information. I also agree if the government wishes to, more people could be detained under similar policies. But with the cessation of torture brought about by the Obama administration, many of these stories will become a thing of the past.
DeleteThe creator of this video did a fantastic job of reaching out to your emotional and logical side because the person speaking is coming from a first person prospective. The video reaches out to everyone to not only show that music, when played at high levels, can do serious damage to your ears but that it is used as a way of torture. The band persuades the viewer that listening to loud music can cause serious damage. I agree with the band that listening to loud music can be harmful, although most of us have known that are whole life. The problem that I had with this video was the fact that there really was no argument, it just made a point. After watching it two times it still was not abundantly clear what the band's main point was, between the unnecessary detention and torture at Guantanamo bay or the fact that loud music is bad for your health.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the video really didn't have an argumentative side, it just more matter-of-fact. It presented the facts but, like you said, the main point seemed unclear.
DeleteMaybe it's just a point to most of us and not an argument because we can kind of agree with what the band was saying. Maybe the audience they were reaching out to saw things in a different perspective then the band saw it.
DeleteTo be honest, I had a really hard time grasping the point behind the video. I had to read what my fellow class mates had written, before I could understand its meaning to really comment on how it effected me. The creditability of the speaker is very sound, as he gives vivid images of his time trapped at Guantanamo Bay. While I do support drastic measures to be taken at times to protect the masses, I do feel that the governments abuse given rights for their own gains. The speaker uses Pathos persuasion to reach out to the listeners of the video, which I feel was aimed in a very general area in hopes to grab the attention of anyone willing to listen. I have never heard of the band “Massive Attack,” so I don't have prior knowledge of their purpose or the messages behind their music. However, I think their main goal behind this message was to inform us of the horrors behind the scenes, and that we have been blind by the illusions of freedom.
ReplyDeleteI also had a hard time understanding the point of the video. I understand some of it after reading yours and some others post. I like the way you worded your last sentence. It is the scary truth.
DeleteAfter attempting to research more on this video and the band, I take back my comment on the credit-ability of the speaker!
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DeleteMaybe that was the point of the video, would you have ever researched anything to do with the band had you not seen the video? While it may not persuade you to listen to their music, it made you think about what they were saying and put effort into finding more information, regardless of what you found.
DeleteAs far as research goes, the name of the video is called, "Saturday come Slow," and the name of the speaker is Ruhal Ahmed (wikipedia page for more info and research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhal_Ahmed)
I agree that this video did a poor job of getting the point across. I also agree that it points out what happens behind the scene while bringing attention to the fact that music is being used as torture instead of being enjoyed.
DeleteThe band did do a poor job of getting the point across, especially because I wouldn't even classify them as a band. The artist's singing in the beginning was nearly inaudible at first (I thought they were going to expound on that). Informative yes, I think they could have done a better job illustrating their goals. I did like the special effects though.
DeleteI didn't even think to do any research on the band or video. Maybe if I did I would have to change my view on the creditability too. I also like your statement about using the illusion of freedom, something I agree with.
DeleteI probably used your response the most to kind of understand what this video was about because it made the most sense to me. And yes the band didn't do the best job of trying to put their point across.
DeleteI was confused when I first watched this video, not more off the video but off the teacher's description of it being a cause and that it's controversial. I took the meaning as both how sound can affect us in a negative way, as well as the maltreatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. The credibility is found in the experiences of the man who talks about them using the sound to torture and interrogate him. I agree with the fact of sound having a negative impact at different decibels, I for one couldn't watch it a second time as the sounds were very uncomfortable to the point that I started to get a headache. I however disagree on the use of it to torture and interrogate individuals. I think the band's audience is anyone who listens to music of any type, or those interested in the issue of the treatment of prisoners. I think the video shows all 3 modes of persuasion, Ethos and Pathos with the man's story, and Logos with the playing of the sounds while talking about how it affects our hearing. As I'm not sure of the intent of the video, I'm not sure how it's supposed to persuade me on anything.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading your paragraph i now see how the video had all three arguments of appeal.I also agree with your statement that sound can have a negative effect on anybody.
DeleteWhile I'm unclear why a music band decided to inform its listeners that loud music is damaging to their health, as I'm sure all their concerts are plenty loud. I did Google this band, song, and even video in hopes that I could find some information behind the reasoning however, I could not. They do a very good job at using Pathos methods to reach out to the emotional side of those who watch the video I have a hard time believing the facts behind the speakers experiences.
DeleteI was unsure what to think about when I started to watch this video; first, it was hard to understand except that there were loud noises that were hurting my ears. Then it all came together with the man talking about torture he had experienced while at Guantanamo Bay and how extensive it was. I totally based off my initial impression believe the source could be credible but still unsure because it doesn't show any evidence. In my opinion I feel it appealed to everyone especially people who listen to loud music and the man in the video used ethos to portray this. I think that because he tries to paint a mental picture in your mind about how hard it was to do normal things after this treatment as a prisoner; as well as, his lack of positive emotion in the video. If it is supposed to persuade me to listen to the bands music because of the video it doesn't, therefore, i don't really know what they are tring to get across in this video.
ReplyDeleteAs someone who feels the world is full of secrets and that governments attempt to enslave our minds, I really didn't find this video as one that really reached out to me. I admit that this Pathos aspects in this video are touching, I have a hard time accepting it truthful; after attempting to find more information on this video.
DeleteI was also confused as to what they were trying to persuade you on. As far as the speaker, while there isn't any evidence to support whether the speaker actually did go through the accounts he said he did, it still gets your mind thinking about what he was talking about, which could be the reasoning behind it, truthful or not.
DeleteI agree, it doesn't make me want to listen to their music after watching the video. In fact, I wouldn't even call them a band. I think they could have done a better job clarifying their message. My ears did hurt a little bit, but I think with their talents in special effects, they could have created other effects to better tell their story. I felt that in the first few seconds, if you don't have the attention of the audience, you will likely loose them. If it wasn't mandatory, I probably would have stopped it after they begin explaining about the effects of load music on your ears.
DeleteThe source’s seems rather credible. He provided vivid account of his experiences at the Guantanamo Bay Detainment Camp, which for most of us, is off limits. I can’t answer if the narrator’s facts regarding hearing damage are true or not, but I do feel that the former prisoner’s account of the conditions in Cuba are likely fairly accurate. I would say I would agree with the relevance of the camp in Cuba. The USA faced enormous challenges following 9-11, and created an expeditious solution to a very difficult problem; what to do with Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters on the battlefield? These people weren’t fighting for a country with whom the USA was in conflict with and therefore fell outside the guidelines of the Geneva Convention. The immediate challenge now is to return these people to their countries of origin (many of which do not want them) or place them on trial in the USA. The latter doesn’t work ether, due to their status. It is a difficult question to answer, but was a decision made in pressing and historic times in one of our nation’s most darkest hours. Thankfully, presumed harmless men like the artist in the video are being sent to their countries of origin. I think the band wishes to inform us of the conditions in Cuba. The band seems to use all three to a degree, but Pathos the most by having the prisoner vividly describe his experiences. I’m not persuaded by the bands’ intentions. As controversial as GITMO may be, it has a relevant purpose-to keep Americans safe. True, the earlier methods were not ideal, but the intelligence they generated was of benefit. If the answer as to the future of GITMO was easy, I suppose the President would have shut it down as he promised within the first 100 days of 2009.
ReplyDeleteI too was totally confused by the message at first, but as I watched it again and saw a few peoples comments on it i kinda started to understand what the meaning of the video was. I do however understand he had to go through quite a lot while he served his time at Guantanamo Bay. Howerever it is kinda human knowledge that listening to high pitched frequencies can cause pain to the ears, so with that being said i guess that means i dissagree but at the same time i dont feel like their is an agreeing end or dissagreeing end in this video from my point of view. If you were an individual against torturing a prisoner then this video is probably gonna draw you in. The band is probably using Ethos to draw you in so it can pull at your emotional strings a little bit because the best way to sell something is to put the viewers emotion into it. It doesn't really pull me into their message because I'm a drummer and i feel like as time goes on your ears kind of adapt to the noise but that's just me personally.
ReplyDeleteI agree on the fact that they might be trying to sell you something. I took it as an informational piece, but at the same time it made me want to learn more about what was being said (mainly to find out if it was true or not). However due to the tie with the band it meant having to search for information on a band I was previously unaware of. Which is the point of advertising.
DeleteI found this video to be both very interesting and somewhat odd until it was done and I had the chance to process what the message was. Some of the things that made this source credible was the information they gave in the beginning that explained the impact of different decibel ranges to the human ears. This was done using the logos method because it's logical to say that sound can have a major impact on a person. The audience would be someone who could relate to the speaker, possibly a younger audience based on the age of the speaker. The music, emotions, and the visual and descriptive example of the interrogation room show pathos and ethos because it gave you trust in the spokesperson. I agree that there are many forms of torture and it is not something that you would normally think about. The video was persuasive in that it used all 3 methods of logic.
ReplyDeleteYour description of the 3 methods of persuasion, and how they are used, really break it down well. Before I read this I didn't think all 3 methods were present but now I can see where they are used in this video.
DeleteI believe the speaker was credible. He seem to be very informative and knew what he was talking about. I liked how he used not only the verbal aspect but the visual also. Hearing and seeing his message made it that much more interesting and therefore I was not as quick to lose interest. I agree with the message in the video. When I was younger my mom always said not to play something to loud or be too close to loud music so I think that for the most part he only raised the same thinking that I was always told. I believe that the band is using Ethos and Pathos by using the prisoner to make you feel him through his story but also using him to touch on your emotions. The music also sets a mood so I think that there are both used her. I do not think that this band persuades me to do anything because honestly the video confused me even after watching it twice and waiting for some other posts.
ReplyDeletewow. That is deep. I enjoy that you got something out of the video and you seamed to understand at least what the visual was about. I didn't understand it at all.
DeleteI too believe that the speaker was knowledgeable in what he was presenting and I also agree that the video failed to have a persuasive point in it.
DeleteThey did do a good job at keeping the viewers attention. And i think your right about them trying to grab you by your emotions and really pull you in because with a subject like this if you can't grab your audience by their emotions then how do you pull the audience in.
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ReplyDeleteLike you i had a hard time understanding the point of the video at first i had to watch it several times. You also brought up a new point i never though about which was the goverment using drastic measures . I dont totally agree with it but under certain circumstances it might be necessary
ReplyDeleteThe man's body language and facial expressions are the only thing for me that make it seam creatable. The way he speaks of walking with his feet together for two years and then having trouble walking when his feet are free. It moved me when he spoke of not having toughed anyone for two years it seamed like he had really been through the experience. As someone that is not a music lover but will get head ache from to I can understand how it could be used to make people go mad or get them to talk. The audience could be anyone. I think they used Pathos. They zoomed into his face and had him tell his story with only his facial expressions to see. I don't really understand the intentions of this video other then to get his story out and let people know that loud music is bad for your ears.
ReplyDeleteAdmit it Kim, you watched this video lots of time as I'm sure you find the gentleman in the video cute! (Kidding!)
DeleteIt was very hard to understand the purpose behind the video. Nonetheless, they do flow into how loud music is dangerous and can be used to torture people. (On a personal note) I wish they would invent a device, to shut off the cars whose drivers feel they have to rock the whole planet with their bass!